posted 05-10-2008 02:11 PM            

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posted 07-22-2008 07:22 PM            

I had to go to 'dogpile' search engine to find the jpcot.org as it wouldn't show up on google. Anyway, vengence has once again reared its ugly head!

posted 07-28-2008 02:13 PM            

Wanto to have some fun? Repeat the diagnosis five times as fast as you can...

liedoctor

posted 09-11-2008 08:04 PM            

I sure hope when he gets his records the Judge looks at all his crazy posts and see that McCarthy should be charged with a slander case and the rest should be thrown out!

posted 09-12-2008 09:21 AM            

wait for it......

posted 09-12-2008 09:11 PM            

For Joey to interpret what Barry said the way he did is proof of some serious cognitive distortions.

I keep thinking that I should ban him from posting and yet he is so unaware of himself that I think it may be good for everyone to let him rant on and maybe I'll get a subpeona as well.

By the way, I have no idea who lieguytoo is over at AP. After Joey's rant here I went and read up over at AP and I didn't see anything terribly destructive said by lieguytoo. Was there something I was missing? Whoever he is, he certainly seems to have some inside info on Joey.

I think its sad Joey thinks we are are all protecting someone and out to get him. If he doesn't chill, he just might end up committed.

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posted 09-12-2008 10:40 PM            

You are all correct though.

He's angry. And obsessed. And perhaps hypo-manic. He may be blending reality with his persecutory ideas, but its also possible that he got some off-line or private messages. I suppose it's also possible that someone else (anti?) is playing with his hot-buttons. But probably not. The problem is that he does seem to be smart enough and articulate enought to raise and issue or two. His personality disorder dominates his problems though.

In psychodynamic terms, you are watching something called "object splitting." Its when a person views others (other objects) and themselves as either all-good, or all-bad. Barry crossed him, and now Barry is what we call a "bad object." It's sometimes characteristic of persons with borderline personality disorder.

The term borderline is confusing, because they are not really on the border between any separate personaly disorders. It may have one time been a term refering to the fact that they are so frustrating and irrational, though generally non-psychotic (i.e., out of touch with reality), that they were described by clinicians as on the "borderline" of psychosis.

Borderlines can have similar split-object representations of themselves - either all good, or all bad. What they don't get is that we are all at once both an arse, and decent valuable persons - its our choice to be one or the other, but we're still both. They are concrete and simplistic in their assessment of themselves and others. You are with them or against them. Good or bad. Friend or enemy. Healthier folks generally have the ability to remember the value in others, even when they are angry or dissapointed. Normal healthy folks also remember that others may have a dark side, or undesirbable qualities, even when they are being decent.

Unbalanced folks sometimes have a kind of infantile hissy-fit, and may feel like their survival is actually at stake, when they feel rejected or threatened. So, they seem over-reactive to others. In some ways they are a little like PTSD patients, in that their amygdala (remember the alarm center in the brain) is considered "kindled" and "brittle." It is on-full-blast, or off completely, with nothing in between. When not calm and content they are enraged and activated. They are truly tormented by their own emotions, which they tend to misinterpret as real and valuable information about themselves and the external world.

Borderlines are sometimes so consumed with managing and responding to their own emotions that they lack the energy or ability to notice, attend to, and respond to concerns and perspectives of others. This makes them seem narcissistic. One of the differences between a narcissist and a borderline is that the narcissist lacks the ability to think about others, so when they are done with you they are done with you, and they find the next person to suck dry. Borderlines, on the otherhand, carry their narcissistic vulnerability much closer to the surface of their own awareness and can become more obbsessed and paranoid with you when you cross them and become a "bad object." Borderlines can also be a bit more aware of their own self-loathing at times, and some have higher rates of suicidal ideation and attempts than other groups. Borderlines have among the highest co-morbidity with other Axis-I mental health disorders. So we'll see a lot of things like depression, anxiety, and bipolar disorders, along with suicidal ideation, and addictions.

A part of the problem is that they tend to manage their relationships so badly that they can create repitious experiences of the very type which they react badly to - rejection and abandonment.

What you're watching with Mr. MCarty is starting to look a lot like classic borderline rage.

For a good read, or some good sleep, read Masterson's books on ego and self, or go to Heinz Kohut and Karen Horney (no joke, but it's pronounced "Horn-eye.") Like Foucault, its a lot easier for most to read about these people and their work, than it is to read their actual work. I have a great book somewhere, called "Psychodynamic Psychotherapy with Borderline Patients," though I cannot now recall the author.

For a more simple introduction to borderline personality phenomena, find a little paperback called "I Hate You, Don't Leave Me."

You're not going to talk sense into this guy.

Among some therapists, there is subversive wisdom about therapeutic or clinical objectives with borderline patients. One objective is to get them out of your office as quickly as possible.

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I should also state that it's late, I'm tired, and I've never met the guy. I could be wrong.

.02

r

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posted 09-13-2008 08:25 AM            

I'd be willing to bet that NOTHING negative has ever happend to this guy that was "his" fault.

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posted 09-13-2008 09:16 AM            

Borderlines are famous for two primary defense mechanisms (ala Anna Freud, Siggy's daughter). While most people are content with the plain-vanilla defense mechanisms of denial and repression (avoidance), borderlines use object-splitting, and projective-identification. To put is simplistically, projection is a form of blaming or externalizing, while projective-identification is to assign one's own feelings or motives to others. The effect is to provoke in others, the very thing one is afraid of. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Mr. McCarthy is afraid of rejection and abandonment, which to an adult male can be akin to making a living in a certain professional market. He reacts to aggressive business practices and marketing issues, and prompts a general reaction of rejection from his professional peers, which justifies his reactive fears and validates his retaliatory rage.

Now guess what kind of personality is most likely to trigger or engage a borderline into a classic borderline dance...

The narcissist. Better yet, the aggressive narcissist.

Narcissists are, by definition, insecure and vulnerable. It's just that their vulnerability is repressed and armored so well that it's difficult to notice unless you know or remember to look for it. Narcissists have sometimes become un-aware of their own vulnerability. But you'll notice that they love being the center of power or attention. They demand loyalty, service, and compliance and admiration. It is a rule that narcissists will generally never admit mistakes, unless it is strategically useful to do so, and will not tolerate others who point out their errors or failings – either directly or indirectly. The narcissist is the master. Others are the servants.

Narcissists, like borderlines, are often engaging and charming at first. When they present as confident and successful, they can inspire others who want to emulate them. They will tend to wear out their relationships through their excessive demands and lack of reciprocity.

Personality types that fit well with the narcissist, for short periods, are the borderline, and the dependent. This is because the borderline and dependent are fragile types who so badly need approval that they tolerate the narcissists demands - for a while. The narcissist is free to make demands, and is not obligated to reciprocate, except when it is useful to the narcissist to do so. To the narcissist, it is useful to betray the borderline and dependent from time to time, because it reminds them of their vulnerability, and prompts an obedient and compliant form of unquestioned loyalty. The dependent or borderline is reminded that he or she can be easily replaced.

Histrionics are also capable of being seductive at first, but they require more constant (look-at-me) attention. Narcissists are incapable of providing constant attention to others, so interest between narcissists and histrionics may tend to be short.

Now add a bit of aggression to the narcissistic personality, and you'll meet a charming, sometimes successful, person who really enjoys winning. They enjoy their status so much that they loose track of the need for accountability, and begin to loose touch with all objectives that do not serve their narcissistic goals. When a normal (well-adjusted or semi-neurotic) person is confronted about some transgression, they will engage in some form of self-correction. The narcissist will not. The more aggressive narcissist will attack and provoke further any person who attempts to object to their actions.

Absent any unlawful or antisocial behavior, the aggressive narcissist can be a successful politician or business leader – especially when they also possess some real skill or expertise. They can even be inspiring leaders. But you'll notice that people surrounding them are either loyal to a fault, or leave happily. When they take themselves way too seriously, they can become megalomaniacs who are immune to reason and accountability. Need examples, look at some former Presidents (both Democrats and Republicans). It's not hard to think of some historical examples of charismatic leaders who hijacked the hearts and minds, and behavior, of whole countries during he 19th and 20th centuries.

Add some antisocial behavior (that repeatedly violates rules, the rights of others, and social norms) to the aggressive narcissist, without any real skill or abilities, and you'll have what begins to look like a psychopathic personality.

Inwardly, narcissists are lonely and vulnerable. So, they will seek external validation through their manner of dress, lifestyle, trophy relationships, and other external signs of validation or success. They tend to exhaust their relationships with normal persons who have expectations for reciprocity and equality. Borderlines and dependents serve the needs of the narcissist, who still requires human contact and relationships, because their neediness disposes them to tolerate the narcissist's interpersonal armor and relationship deficits.

Histrionics, though engaging, attractive, and seductive to the narcissist, become un-interested and un-interesting because they need themselves to be the center of attention. Narcissistic/histrionic relationships don't' last. Borderlines and dependents on the other hand, are so fragile and insecure that they can remain dependent on the narcissist for longer periods. Dependents are less colorful types, who are more likely to simply move on to the next dependency when the relationship ends.

In psychotherapy, narcissists tend to leave before they accomplish anything. Borderlines tend to prompt dislike from their therapists (something called counter-transference), which the triggers the cycle of borderline reactivity.

When the borderline/narcissistic relationship ends, it will end in an entertaining, and sometimes dangerous, display of aggression and rage. The borderline reacts with suspicion and rage to a fear of threat to survival, and the narcissist retaliates with aggression. It escalates from there.

Best thing to do...

grab some popcorn and watch from the sidelines.

.02

r

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posted 09-13-2008 02:30 PM            

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posted 09-13-2008 03:54 PM            

Guess I'll settle for Laffy Taffy

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posted 09-14-2008 06:31 PM            

It was once described as a "small decayed object."

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posted 09-14-2008 07:37 PM            

Its just strange that someone would ask a question and then say....'and sue me for defamation'.

Plus if he said Joey was a bully had been really mean as a child - so what.

He is so bizarre!

posted 09-14-2008 08:27 PM            

I mean they have enough on their plates with hurricane Ike.

PS I just took a look at his website www.jpcot.org his art gives a very clear picture of how he sees himself.
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posted 09-14-2008 08:49 PM            

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Raymond I've been having some fun poking this monkey with a stick but based on your reading of his posts how likely is his personality type to go postal and actually try to hurt one of his "Texas Tormentors"?

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Assessing level of threat is actually quite difficult. Its also not difficult. I know that sounds ambiguous, but a lot about mental health is ambiguous. Its called psychobabble, and it justifies the high fees.

Threat-assessement is generally regarded as a clinical task, but the best tools and methods are again actuarially based. They are based on factual data-points, which are usually far simpler and far less ambiguous than psychobabble.

Among the strongest actuarial correlates of "postal" type events are things like

• caucasion ethinicity
  
• male
  
• access to firearms (and knows a little bit about how to use them)
  
• social alienation
  
• recent change in marital or intimate relationship
  
• recent financial or career dificulties
  
• history of mental health problems
  
• history of violence
  

To put it simply...

Duh.

But you can see how imperfect this is. Part of the difficulty is that the events are actually rare, and researchers are faced with the challenge of trying to make future predictions based correlates are established through retrospective analysis of known events. Looking backwards is not always the same as looking forwards, and variable that are correlated retrospectively are not always the same as prospective or predictive correlates.

But in the end,

Duh.

I wouldn't provoke him. (actually, I might, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.)

r

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posted 09-14-2008 09:23 PM         

My comment was specific to the fact that individuals who post are typically far from anonymous. Although there are ways to secure anonymity on the Internet, they are not taken by the overwhelming majority of people. Information such as user identities (i.e. email addresses, user names, etc.) can be very useful since many Internet users use the same combinations or words or letters. This is similar to the idea that many people use the same password for multiple online accounts. In the case of usernames, they end up being fairly easy to track, especially when they are unique.

I made a couple of comments during my presentation at the APA, specific to knowing your “cybertrail.” Essentially anyone can track historical information about you and your posts on the Internet. The amount of information will continue to increase and the use of this information will become more prevalent. Unfortunately, many people are reckless about what they post online, with the presumption they are anonymous.

Marty

posted 09-15-2008 01:59 PM            

Love,
E

posted 09-15-2008 03:21 PM            

This guys paranoia; anger and megalomaniacal sense of entitlement have combined into a persecution complex of gigantic proportions and it is pushing him at high speed towards a psychotic break.

I think he knows something is wrong with him and he is trying desperately to avoid cracking by fabricating scenarios that allow him to declare victory.

That quote he supposedly read on whatismyipaddress.com must be something he made up, because it doesn't appear to be in their forum posts.

I think he is going to be very disappointed when this judge fails to interpret those emails the same way he does. That may be the straw that makes him ride his broke-backed camel all the way to happy land where he can learn to play Wallyball and dance the Thorazine shuffle.

But then that’s just one man’s opinion and Joey says what I don’t know would just about fill a Metro Yellow Pages Phone Book. I guess I must be a gutless twit as well. Oh well its nice to be acknowledged.

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